A fresh conversation between Charles Eisenstein and Polly Higgins. Having heard them before the talk itself feels like a repeat but the audience questions (almost an hour) brought some new, interesting and fresh things to the surface. I first read about Polly Higgins and her ecocide work in Permaculture one or two years ago. It’s great to feel it maturing into a word that is better known and can be used fluently in conversation.